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7/7/11

My Planned Parenthood Story: Mormon Child Bride Edition



As many of you know, I got married when I was 20 years old. What most of you may not know is the health insurance battle we went through during our first year of our marriage. We were a few months away from our college graduations, and every single private health insurance company had rejected our applications. Too many pre-existing conditions. Well, one company accepted us, they wanted to charge us an arm and a leg for partial coverage. We were unemployed, uninsured, and uncertain.

A few months into our marriage, my prescription for birth control (the one I had when I was unmarried and insured under my parents,) expired. I couldn't afford birth control without insurance, let alone an annual exam. I made an appointment at Planned Parenthood, covering my unease with jokes about driving to the "ghetto" Planned Parenthood in downtown SLC. My unease was rooted in the fear-filled rumors I'd heard growing up in a very conservative environment. Planned Parenthood was dirty, disease-ridden, and determined to force an abortion on every unsuspecting young woman in the valley. I wanted to get in, get my birth control, and get out.

But I was wrong. The people at Planned Parenthood treated me with respect and kindness, more so than many of the doctors who treated me previously, who often lectured me on getting married young, and insulted me for not being "smart enough" to be insured.  In contrast, Planned Parenthood walked me through all my birth-control options, and helped me stay healthy, both emotionally and physically, when no one else would.

When the health-care system rejected me, Planned Parenthood kept me informed, and helped me understand my own body. They helped my husband and I make the best choices for our situation: (young, unemployed, uninsured students.) They got to know me as an individual when insurance companies saw me only as a liability. They didn't care about my pre-existing conditions, they cared about me.

I believe in Planned Parenthood. I believe in men and women making informed, smart decisions about their bodies and overall reproductive health. I respect any organization with the following mission statement:

Planned Parenthood believes in the fundamental right of each individual, throughout the world, to manage his or her fertility, regardless of the individual's income, marital status, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, national origin, or residence. We believe that respect and value for diversity in all aspects of our organization are essential to our well-being. We believe that reproductive self-determination must be voluntary and preserve the individual's right to privacy. We further believe that such self-determination will contribute to an enhancement of the quality of life and strong family relationships.


I will be forever thankful to the organization that helped a naive Mormon Child Bride grow into an informed woman who knows how to care for her body. To show my thanks, I will advocate for, vote, and support any person or organization that maintains that right for men and women everywhere. Planned Parenthood For The Win.


This is a post for  the "What Tami Said" Blog Carnival in support of Planned Parenthood. Click HERE
to read more stories from people who are proud to support Planned Parenthood.

53 comments:

Shelby Clark said...

I am so glad you posted this! I think it is so easy for us to allow our political agendas to put unnecessary and false stigmas onto organizations, people, etc., that support different ideals than we do. We hear planned parenthood and think "abortion" automatically, pay little to no attention to the good services they provide. (Ironic, no? When we hate how others stigmatize our Mormonism). I am currently studying Social Work at BYU-I and joke frequently that I attend the world's most conservative school and have somehow managed to become more liberal. Food for your thoughts: States that teach abstinence only and who defund Planned Parenthood (i.e. Texas) have far higher rates of STD's and pre-marital (I hate the word illegitimate) births. Sex education, like all education, is so, so, so important to making wise and productive decisions! Sorry for the ridiculously long comment! Haha. :)

heidikins said...

I was in a near-identical situation when I was a young, uninsured student. I loved Planned Parenthood (the "ghetto" one in downtown SLC), they were kind and answered my questions and made me feel okay about my insecurities.

For the record, I told this to my little sister when she was a young, uninsured student and she went to the Orem PP and they treated her like she was a dirty whore. It was terrible. Plus one for "ghetto" SLC!

xox

Rae. said...

I'm a fan of birth control in its many forms, but I can't help but find it ironic that the most vocal supporters of Planned Parenthood simulutaneously hail themselves as human rights advocates without batting an eye. Margaret Sanger (the founder) was a complete racist who concocted this supposedly brilliant system to eliminate the poor, uneducated, largely minority populations among us.

Sure things have changed though, right? You mention that your PP was in the 'ghetto'...as is every other. Sanger didn't want uneducated 20 year olds Mormon girls/ blacks/ hispanics/poor etc etc etc reproducing.
She would be proud. Her work is carrying on full force.

hhhmmmm.

Stephanie said...

@Rae. I don't know much about the original founder. If she was racist, and simply trying to prevent "unwanted" people from reproducing, then that is unfortunate.

However, I firmly believe that the current mission of Planned Parenthood is to help people make informed decisions about their fertility. Planned Parenthood didn't help me because I was Mormon and they didn't want me to reproduce, that's an ignorant conspiracy theory and a discredit to the people that dedicate time and resources serving there.

Arual said...

I think people should have options, but I have personally found that all hormonal forms of birth control are devastating to my body--and many women around me have the same problem.

I went for years having urinary tract infections on a REGULAR BASIS because I didn't know that spermicide (my birth control of choice) raises the incidence of it. Once I got around to researching that and the others, I realized that all birth control (condoms excepted, so far) has side effects that should be seriously considered.

I don't feel the risk is worth it, but that doesn't mean the option shouldn't be available. Just that I hope people are fully informed.

And as for the stigma, I admit, I've never been into a planned parenthood. I'm by the nasty Orem one though.

Rae. said...

No ignorant conspiracy toting theorists here, but I like your charged language. That's what makes your blog interesting.

Planned Parenthood was originally devised to put ample amounts of free birth control and/or abortion services right smack dab in the middle of poor and largely minority populated areas. That is still what you see today.
I don't doubt that the kind workers are genuinely helpful and full of good intentions, but nice mission statements and sweet personal stories from middle class white American women who got free birth control doesn't change the fact that it really, at its core, still does exactly what its founder intended it to do.

I was simply pointing out the irony.

Stephanie said...

@Rae, saying that an organization is out to prevent minorities from giving birth is also "charged" language.

The fact that Planned Parenthood is sometimes (though truly, the one I went to is actually in a nice area, just anything "urban" is scary to a 20 year old suburbanite,) located in lower-income areas is more likely to benefit those who don't have access to services. That is true. Planned Parenthoods aren't needed in rich white areas with people who have adequate insurance options. Instead of seeing it as a "plot" to prevent people from reproducing, I see it as an attempt to equalize the caste system, providing health care to people who wouldn't otherwise receive it.

Lastly, it is ignorant to assume that PP is only there to prevent pregnancies. PP also provides resources to pregnant women so that they can safely keep and raise their babies. Not really an effective plan to reduce the population, if you ask me.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point.

Hillary said...

It is ignorant to say that Planned Parenthood is solely about abortion, birth control, or a means to weeding out the poor, uneducated, or minorities.

Planned Parenthood is, above all else, about education and options for everyone, regardless of an ability to pay. It educates women (and men) about their fertility, about their reproductive organs, about STD's, about pregnancy (both prevention and management once pregnancy has occurred).

Perhaps Planned Parenthood clinics were not placed in lower income, uneducated areas to prevent those in the area from reproducing. Perhaps it was to offer them access to health care they wouldn't otherwise have, and to educated them about their options so they could choose for themselves what they wanted to do. If that results in lower birth rates and/or more births to people who genuinely want and are able to care for their children, then so be it.

Take a look at teen and pre-marital pregnancy statistics, and it's obvious that abstinence-only education does not work. In states where sex education is limited, those rates are significantly higher. Look, if people want to have sex, they will find a way to do it no matter how much or how little information you give them about it. But without proper education, there is a significant likelihood that when they do have sex, they'll have no idea how to prevent STD's and pregnancy.

CoCo said...

@Rae--interesting insight. I didn't know that about Ms. Sanger. Let's just say for the sake of argument that Planned Parenthood really was and is devised to get rid of the undesirables of our society--don't you think it's sort of like a cosmic joke against Ms. Sanger and he co-conspirators? I mean poor, uninsured children keep being born, all her institution is doing is empowering them to choose WHEN they want to give birth, it isn't preventing them from being born. In fact, they HELP you get pregnant if you're struggling! You know how you hear about scientific inventions that were supposed to be used for a good purpose and then end being used to kill people in war? It's like the opposite of that; Ms. Sanger could have wanted to kill off all the unwanted members of our society and instead she's empowered them. Joke's on her!

I love Planned Parenthood. They do cancer screenings, pap smears, fertility tests, STD screenings and treatment--so many awesome things to keep women healthy! That plus the cheap birth control is awesome!

Stephanie said...

@Rae. I didn't publish you're last comment because it was a threadjack. My post isn't in support of Sanger, or her ideals. It is in support for what I believe the institution stands for now. You can call me whatever you want, or believe whatever you want about me.

Rae. said...

@ Coco -

In 2009 PP performed approx 330,000 abortions, assisted approx 7,000 prenatal clients, and referred 977 patients to adoptive services.

They conduct 25% of the nations abortions. 80% of the clinics are located in minority neighborhoods.
Black women are about 12% of the entire population, and account for 37% of the abortions. Hispanic women are also about 12%, and account for 22% of the abortions.

And with federal funding, it is your tax dollars paying for it.

I am glad they also provide the wide range of preventative/screening services that they do, but it is a mistake to assume that is what your money is really going for.

Rae. said...

Oh oops, you can check some stats here on PP's fact sheet.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf


And for the record, I'm am in support of free birth control for anyone: I am willing to pay for any unfit parent to have an option that would save a child from being born into sad circumstances.

My issue is not with the birth control. It is with glossing over the reality that PP could arguably be termed a racist institution.

Angie said...

Interesting, considering I learned in my Women in American History class that Sanger's services were initially marketed towards married women who didn't want to be perpetually pregnant. I never got the sense that she was aiming to control an urban population. I guess anyone can interpret history to suit his or her beliefs.

Stephanie said...

@Rae

I appreciate you retyping the thread without the insults about how I must disagree with you because I have a chip on my shoulder from being a harranged LDS woman, because I'm just supporting a "party line" or because I'm just ignorant. I disagree with you. It happens.

I think we disagree about what we find ironic. You find it ironic that people see PP as a great institution when it is not. I don't think it is ironic because I don't think PP is bad.

I don't care what Sanger thought. I care what the institution is currently doing, which is why I'm not publishing your Sanger quotes, and am publishing the stats on PP.

I see how the stats you provided on PP could support a potentially racist organization. However, I can also see how they simply support the fact that people in general are having fewer children. Black women from low-income neighborhoods parenthood aren't the only people getting abortions/preventing pregnancies. Rich white people are doing it too.

I'm suggesting that PP is removing the gap between the two. Without Planned Parenthood, only the upper class could determine how many/when they wanted to have children. PP allows every woman that right.

Furthermore, I think it is silly to assume that without PP, people would go ahead and have the kids. They'd just find another, possibly less safe, ways to prevent pregnancy. I'm just glad they have a safe place to go. I have mixed feelings on abortion, but I'm glad they are having one at PP, and not at home with a hanger.

If you are suggesting that perhaps the government should step in and remove the gap between upper class insured people, and lower class uninsured, then I completely agree.

Long story short: I understand your point, and still disagree with your conclusions. That is okay. I can throw just as many stats back at you supporting my opinion, and you would still disagree. Still okay.

Risa said...

I've written about my love for Planned Parenthood many times on my blog.

Thank you for supporting them. I thank the support of intelligent people willing to look past false rhetoric and politics to really help the men and women who truly need the services that Planned Parenthood offers to maintain their reproductive health.

CoCo said...

@Rae

First, this is a direct quote from the 2008-2009 annual report (the most recent one they have posted)It seems to differ from the stats you previously gave.


"For the three million patients our doctors and nurses saw, we provided contraception (36 percent of our total services), testing and treatment for STDs (31 percent), cancer screening and prevention (17 percent), and abortion services (THREE PERCENT). In all, we helped prevent roughly 621,000 unintended pregnancies."

3% of what they do is abortions. Here is the link if you are interested, note that it actually works. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_Annual_Report_08-09-FINAL-12-10-10.pdf

What I find interesting about your comment is that you don't actually say what you conclude from your stats, you think they speak for themselves. They don't. But I think I can see the point of what you were trying to say even though you didn't say it.

According to you, the fact that black women and other minorities are more likely to get an abortion through planned parenthood (assuming any of your statistics, are accurate)this must prove somehow that PP is targeting them? What about the uncomfortable reality that minority women make less money for doing the same job as a white woman (who make less than men doing the same job) and therefore are more likely to live in "ghetto" neighborhoods and are therefore less likely to have insurance and are therefore more likely to use PP for birth control? (I'd hit you up with statistics here but you can google and I'm lazy and it's sort of uncomfrotable common knowledge)

Which reminds me, did you know that it is against federal law to use federal funds to perform abortions except in the case of rape, incest, of life of the mother? So much for not knowing where my money is going! Look up the Hyde Amendment. While there are lots of stipulations, it primarily affects women on Medicad, which means it primarily affects poor women. This is another more rational reason for why minorities are more likely to use PP for abortions, given the unfortunate correlation between income and race.

But I am not suggesting that all women who use PP for abortions have been raped or are on their deathbeds--I know that's not the case. But if they are they because of rape or incest, they are more likely to be a minority or poor. The U.S. Department of Justice only categorizes rape victims as either "black" or "white," (with white being every other race besides African American)but I learned in Criminal Law that unfortunately, non-Caucasian women were far more likely to be the victims of rape than Caucasian women. You can check RAINN to confirm, but the truth is, Latina and African American women make up the majority of rape victims. There is also a correlation between income and rape; the poorer you are, the more likely you are to be raped. This is also almost common knowledge.

Again, I am aware the most abortions end pregnancies that are not the result of rape of incest, but those that are will often be conducted at PP. This is because PP doesn't ask questions. Seeing as 59 percent of rapes go unreported, (again, you can google, the link is too long) this is a great comfort to women who have been raped who are ashamed of what has happened to them.

Lastly--and I know you probably don't care--I am extremely invested in supporting the rights of women and PP. Literally half of the classes I am signed up for next year in law school deal with sexual crimes, privacy rights, (like the right to an abortion) and poverty law. Issues like these happen to be the reason I went to law school. So please spare yourself the time of trying to educate me on this stuff, I am doing it for myself already.

Stephanie said...

@Coco

You did a great job explaining what I was trying to say. Thanks for including accurate stats.

CoCo said...

I realize I jumped thoughts too fast--the Hyde Amendment won't permit federal funding for abortions except in the case of rape, incest, life of the mother. Women on Medicaid end up at PP as a result of this not only to get abortions for other reasons, but because their disease won't kill them imminently (true story, check out South Dakota laws in particular, they're nuts!)Or because they don't want an IRS investigation to prove they were raped. This last bit is especially true where women are raped by ppl they know--there are so many heartbreaking factors for why women won't report rape even if they are. And some husbands--who are abusive assholes--will actually sue to make their wives prove they were raped--I can't even talk it. Anyways, end of rant.

Miri said...

Good to know that Orem PP is not a good one. I am planning on going in once I save up enough---maybe I will go up to SL instead. How long ago did you sister go, Heidikins?

rossandconnierockon! said...

Thank you for posting this. I was intrigued to see it and as much to read the comments. Really a lot of thoughtful information and certainly demonstrates the struggles women continue to work through, even in this enlightened age.

Margaret Sanger really is a historic female icon that simply gets very little recognition. We are usually taught about a few female figures such as Susan B. Anthony and Helen Keller. And I had not heard of Ida B. Wells nor Margaret Sanger until I was in college. This is not by accident rather a disregard and lack of knowledge for women's work. Margaret Sanger has a great deal of writing to her credit and, most amazingly, she published in a time when her work and beliefs were considered illicit. While I never spoke directly to Margaret Sanger (1879-1966), she was not a racist and did not encourage a population reduction amongst minority populations. She actually was the first to encourage the use of the diaphragm in the U.S. Sanger was concerned about women's health and making options available to all women. What is ironic is forgetting the status of women-- still considered a minority.

Family planning and women's personal health were not left in the hands of women. Because of this Planned Parenthood continues to be vital in our culture. All too often women perpetuate the construction of what women are really doing by making choices and Planned Parenthood becomes the evil-doer.

Ru said...

I have a few things to say regarding the issue that Planned Parenthood facilities tend to be in poorer neighborhoods -

1. Even assuming Margaret Sanger was more interested in promoting her racist conspiracy than women's health, she's dead. Generally you can't effect policy change from beyond the grave.

2. Don't you think it's more likely that PP locations are in poorer neighborhoods because (a) a non-profit generally can't afford land in an affluent neighborhood, (b) people who live in middle to upper-class neighborhoods don't want non-residential properties driving down their property value and zone against such facilities and (c) wealthy women can afford to get health care (including abortions) in hospitals?

I love a crazy conspiracy theory as much as the next girl, but I think you're hearing zebras.

And finally - while it's important to be aware of racism and fight against it, claiming that PP must be racist if it happens to perform more abortions for women of color is an invalid tactic. If you believe that is true, aren't you arguing for protectionist policies for the benefit of minorities? (The implication, of course, that minorities need someone to do their thinking for them because - gosh! - shades of Margaret Sanger have tricked them into abortions.)

While we're looking at statistics, we should also note that it only performs abortions for women, yet I personally don't appreciate men swooping in to tell us poor womenfolk what to do with our lady bits.

Rae. said...

@ Coco,

Thanks for the response...your comment was full of interesting information and I commend your chosen law profession.

As far as the stats I quoted, you and anyone else can google and find them yourself, I don't know why my link didn't work. I'm not trying to hide or deceive anyone.

And as far as your 3% statistic, to my knowledge they divide abortions by the total number of 'services' they provide...which basically means if they hand out 100 condoms in one day and perform 3 abortions, then you are right: abortions account for 3% when you total it that way. You'll notice I compared it to the total amount of prenatal/adoptive options.
I was responding to the previous comment about them being an excellent resource for expectant mothers, and viewed in comparison abortions are overwhelmingly the resulting endpoint once a baby has been conceived.

And regardless of intent or not, abortion by the numbers is absolutely a racist institution. Minority children are aborted at about three times the rate of non-minorities (you can google that, and please correct me if I'm wrong).

Stephanie didn't feel comfortable posting one of my previous comments that included direct quotes from the founder, but I included those simply to reinforce my original and final point: I simply find it ironic that a 'human rights' institution like PP was founded by a eugenics supporting, very much racist (although also very much pro-women rights as well) Margaret Sanger.

That is, and always was, my single point: irony.

Frankly, abortions aside: I am a fan of any clinic that passes out birth control and sexual information like candy.

Wendy said...

It is unfortunate that we have such a problem interweaving the personal beliefs of individuals with institutions. I'm not a huge fan of Margaret Sanger as a person. She was classist and anti-immigration as well as racist - essentially not in favor of anyone not a classic WASP. I do give some consideration to the society she was born of - but considering she fought against the prevailing ideas of the proper place for women, she clearly was not unwilling to support unpopular ideas.

But accidental or not, she did found a modern institution that provides some incredibly essential services. I would no more reject PP based on her personal beliefs and actions than I would some of the Constitutional ideals provided by slave-holding founding fathers.

PP has evolved over time, like any institution. This reminds me of when people have criticized me for belonging to an institution now that practiced polygamy and excluded African-Americans from the priesthood in the past.

Mary said...

Admittedly, I don't know a lot about Planned Parenthood, but I am with you in that I would rather women get an abortion in a safe environment than some other way, which is how many abortions were performed before it was legal. I hate all or nothing views. There is context to be considered in every situation. I am of the belief that sex education in Utah is extremely lacking. I work at a junior high and a couple had sex and the girl got pregnant. Why? Because nobody in either family ever talked about sex, the temptation, or the consequences. Both people were unprepared. Had they known how to prevent pregnancy, a 15 year old girl's life would not be ruined, and a baby (who the family insists the couple does NOT put up for adoption) will be raised by a child. If Planned Parenthood educates people in a way that prevents heartbreaking stories such as these, I say it's a wonderful organization.

I was lucky to have been raised with very open parents who were not scared to educate me on "uncomfortable" topics. Because of that, I knew how to recognize situations where I could get into trouble. I have a stronger belief about the beauty of waiting until marriage. Yet, my parents were open about the topic of sex. Education about sex does not lead to having illicit sex. I would wager that it makes people think twice.

So, planned parenthood, keep it up!

Stephanie said...

@Wendy

That is exactly why I stopped publishing comments consisting of Sanger quotes. The woman is dead. She is not what PP stands for now.

Good connection between Sanger and polygamy.

angelica said...

Stephanie I'm glad you're talking about this on your blog... I'm actually 20 and without health insurance. I've had to go to PP to get a breast exam due to two lumps I found early this year. The PP i went to only does an exam and I needed to get a sonogram and biopsy however they can supply patients with a voucher to get such procedures done at a clinic or hospital for a small expense or even for free. I just thought ppl are not informed that PP does a lot more than just abortions and birthcontrol. I'm trying to think of the politician who said 95% of all things done at PP are abortions and he ended up making a fool of himself. Anyways sorry for the long comment

Rae. said...

@Wendy,

I think you've made great points.

I do think it can be compared to religious institutions that used to practice polygamy, etc. It certainly isn't an accurate representation of what the current standing is.
With that said, I really don't understand Stephanie's need to censor the Sanger quotes. I'm not for censorship in any form, unless it contains explicit material, but hey, it's her blog and she can mold the argument how she sees fit. Praise heaven's for google.
Sanger's quotes basically read similarly to the modern mission statement of PP. However, her final caveat is that she lists that such a mission also directly coincides with the final aims of eugenics.

And since my comments are being censored, i'm not sure you'll be getting this comment either.

Stephanie said...

@Rae.

GOOD LORD THE CHARGED LANGUAGE. I'm "Censoring" you now? This is not a newspaper, a public street, or a house of worship. This is a personal blog. I'm not censoring the obnoxious door-to-door salesman by not letting him come into my house and sell me pest control, I'm deciding who I want in my house. This is my virtual house, and yes, when someone threadjacks my post, I'm under no obligation to open the door.

Furthermore, yes, I did not publish the Sanger quotes because this is not a post about whether or not Sanger was racist. Also, quotes can be cut, and given in snippets to give a wrong impression. I published your comments on Planned Parenthood.

Laslty, I did not publish your comment because it addition to being off topic, it was rude, mean, and totally irrelevant. You assumed I disagreed with you because I'm LDS, because I have a chip on my shoulder, and because I'm ignorant.

Then you tell me not to name call.

You know what else isn't censoring Rae, refusing to let someone use their own blog to insult them. I;m done, you're done, find another sandbox to pee in.

Ru said...

@ Rae:

Not to belabor a point, but:

"And regardless of intent or not, abortion by the numbers is absolutely a racist institution. Minority children are aborted at about three times the rate of non-minorities (you can google that, and please correct me if I'm wrong)."

Let's assume you are correct. (Later you can go here: http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/us_stats_race.asp and decide if you really were). But for now let's go with it.

So if women of color CHOOSE to have an abortion in greater numbers than white people, and then their CHOICES ARE RESPECTED, the abortion procedure itself (and the health facilities that provide it) is a "racist institution."

(I could say some stuff here about how your argument is patronizing, protectionist, infantalizing, etc., but you didn't respond to any of that the first time around, so I'll skip it.)

Andrea said...

I grew up in a VERY urban environment. The issue of abortions:race ratio is a direct result of the unplanned pregnancy:race ratio. That in turn is a direct result of the lack of education/self-esteem:race ratio.
The pregnancy rate at my high school was out of control. And it was mostly African-American and Hispanic. It was girls who grew up in extremely low income areas and were raised by teen moms themselves. These girls were desperate for love and attention. They mistook the "attention" from boys for love and put out to keep it. They wouldn't insist on protection, because he might just leave and find a girl that wouldn't, or he would promise to 'pull out'. Then, once pregnancy occured, they would convince themselves that these boys would step up, and they would get the "family" life that they so desperately craved.
Of course it almost never worked out that way, and these girls had no support system at home, would end up dropping out, and the cycle continues. If there had been easier access to a safe place where they could get information, birth control, and yes, safe abortions, God only knows how many lives could have been turned around. How many cycles could have been broken.
Until you have known 13-year-olds that are on their second child, you can't fully grasp just how badly institutions like PP are needed. Education and empowerement are so desperately lacking in urban areas, and the results of it are devastating.
Thank you Stephanie for speaking out in support of PP. They need all of the voices that they can get.

Marianne and Ryan said...

I have no idea if you know, but at that beginning of this year it was made legal that people under the age of 25 can be on their parents insurance even if married. That is how I afford my birth control.

Elaine said...

I don't care one bit about who started it. It's a great organization today! I see no problem. I think it's a little weird for Rae to get all worked up about it.

Stephanie said...

@Elaine: You should see the comments I did not publish. Apparently, I'm censoring her, I'm secrely "embarassed" because I know she's right about Sanger, and lastly, in classic Mormon-trollishness, I should leave the church because I'm destroying it from within.

I'm just ashamed I engaged with the crazy.

Unknown said...

I just can't support an institution that kills a life every 95 seconds (300,000 per year) no matter how much birth control or free cervical cancer screenings they give.

3% of total services is a nice way to word it. Its kinda like giving Hitler a pass if he contributed tons of money to medical research while killing a mere `fraction` of humanity.

Unknown said...

I just can't support an institution that kills a life every 95 seconds (300,000 per year) no matter how much birth control or free cervical cancer screenings they give.

3% of total services is a nice way to word it. Its kinda like giving Hitler a pass if he contributed tons of money to medical research while killing a mere `fraction` of humanity.

jhofmanns said...

While I don't doubt your good experience with Planned Parenthood (I myself was treated very well when I went there in college doing some research for a paper) there is another side to this organization which can not be ignored if one is honestly wanting to understand the entire scope of the organization. Check out (http://liveaction.org/traffick) just for starters. These folks are caught on tape showing their true colors. One might argue these are rogue employees--but dig a little deeper and you will find this is a systematically corrupt organization. Bad roots bare bad fruit. Check out the history of Margret Sanger--the founder. That's not to say that NO good has come of it--clearly you were helped but overall many more people/babies have been hurt than helped by PP.

Thanks for your post--always interesting to get a different point of view.

Janet

JustMe said...

Dang - your Douche post was WAY more entertaining than the PP post. I've never seen so many soap boxes in my life. As the mother here, I'm sending all you girls home until you cool off. In the meantime - don't have sex and you won't need PP. Unless you are old like me - then you can have all the guilt free sex you want.

Jacob Hansen said...

You honestly could not afford birth control.... condoms are like a dollar! You could not come up with a dollar. Sounds like a case of college students who don't want to work "jobs that are below them!" Believe me if Jorge from mexico who can't speak english can find work, you can too. Mcdonald's is always hiring and for just one hour of work you could probably pay for 7 condoms. Also, I would rather my money go to a grocery store than to help an organization that aborts over a quarter of a million innocent babies a year! PS. From 1941-1945 the US only lost 414,000 men. Planned Parenthood almost kills that many babies a year!!!! I dont care if they gave you free cars, IT STILL DOES NOT JUSTIFY WHAT THEY DO!!!

PS Here is a little something from a Prophet:

In today's society, abortion has become a common practice, defended by deceptive arguments. Latter-day prophets have denounced abortion, referring to the Lord's declaration, “Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything like unto it” (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Church members who encourage an abortion in any way may be subject to Church discipline. (Source: LDS.ORG)

Erica and Jake said...

I find it interesting that Stephanie flaunts being Mormon and then so strongly supports Planned Parenthood. So that's why so many people of other faiths see Mormons having a double standard.
It's great that they give out free birth control to anyone who walks in the door! I hope that if you find out your son/daughter is having sex way too young they can say "It's okay, Mom! We could do it because we got free condoms at Planned Parenthood!" I'm sure you'll be thanking them then.

Erica and Jake said...

And why are you complaining about being "attacked for your opinion"? If you don't want others to share theirs, then don't post yours.

Emily said...

Amen. I totally agree. PP is a very important organization helping young women all over the country. I have not educated myself on its history or its founder, but I know what it is functional for today. It's intention is not to destroy lives but to support women and help them with their options and understanding their body. Thanks for this post.

ChristyLove said...

@EricaandJake:

"I find it interesting that Stephanie flaunts being Mormon and then so strongly supports Planned Parenthood. So that's why so many people of other faiths see Mormons having a double standard[.]"

Actually, speaking as a "non-member," I happen to find Stephanie refreshing and entertaining.

Realistically, "so many people of other faiths" tend see the LDS church as a flock of white, mindless sheep. It's members like her who show there are functioning brains in that church.




(Stephanie: I apologize if this is offensive, low-brau and completely off-topic.)

Mrs. Officer Andelin said...

So I have just read all the posts to this point and find it amusing. I could care less what everyone thinks about PP but I enjoy reading everyone's reasons for liking or disliking PP. Just one request:

Stephanie, if you decide to not publish a post, then I don't think you should comment on it. That does nothing for the discussion. Plus, when you do comment on an unpublished comment, it falsely persuades the readers to think what you want them to.

Example:

"I appreciate you retyping the thread without the insults about how I must disagree with you because I have a chip on my shoulder from being a harranged LDS woman, because I'm just supporting a "party line" or because I'm just ignorant. I disagree with you. It happens."

Either publish the comment and respond to it how you see fit or totally ignore it for the sake of the argument.

Now keep the comments coming and the discussion flowing. We should all be grownups here since we are talking about sex in a round about way, so lets act like it. Act like adults, not sex.

Jacob Hansen said...

@ EVERYONE

Will someone please tell me how "free pregnancy services" absolves PP responsibility for 300,000 abortions a year?

Alexis said...

Wow...sign of the times when someone defends the life of innocent babies and they are called "crazy". FYI - when those defending abortion use rape and incest that represents 1% of the 1.3 million abortions in the U.S. Planned Parenthood "performs" at their clinics 300,000+ of those - but we are not factoring in state's where the clinics don't have abortion facilities so they refer and have a working partner relationship with abortion clinics off site - so the 300,000 planned parenthood figure is actually higher. But even if we say 300,000... Planned Parenthood is responsible for advocating abortion and providing 1/3 of all abortions in the U.S. If we "excuse" rape and incest (according to Guttmacher Institute stats - hardly a Pro-life institute) those account for 1%, 4% for mother's health or fetal abnormalities - 95% of all abortions are for convenience.
Bottom line - an LDS person is "crazy" for objecting to another LDS person's accolades of Planned Parenthood which provides (I'll deduct the 1% for rape/incest and 4 percent for mother's life/fetal abnormalities) 285,000 abortions a year? (Remember that does not include the referrals to partner clinics)...
So Child Bride do you feel better now knowing that 15,000 of the 300,000 abortions per year fall into your exceptions and that Planned Parenthood is justified in killing 285,000 innocent babies a year all in the name of "cheap" birth control and "health screenings"?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (women) do nothing" Edmund Burke....
Rae aka "Crazy"..Thanks for standing up against evil.

Morgan said...

Everyone on here is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and they are all valid whether you want to agree with them or not. However, I think that this petty arguement taking place in the comment section of a blog is an embarrassment. I never comment on posts, or read blogs that often, but when someone shared this with me I couldn't help but say something. I am LDS and have my own opinion on the matter but am not going to share it because it is IRRELEVANT. Is this the type of behavior we want to be known for? Arguementative, ignorant, stubborn, obstinate, close minded, and contentious? I can assure you that this behavior is in dire contrast to the teachings of our Savior, which is the core of our religion. Please remember to have Christlike love for each other, no matter their political opinon. Fighting with a stranger on the internet isn't contributing one bit of good to this world. If anything, it has the opposite affect. In no way am I trying to undermine the political beliefs of anyone, I am merely trying to remind everyone what is most important. Mutual love and respect for one another.

Ava Dahl said...

@Alexis and @Jacob:

Ah, yes. God forbid we let fully autonomous women have control over IF and WHEN they become mothers. No no, better that mass of cells that will EVENTUALLY form a human being (or not, should there be some developmental defect) be given more consideration than the physical, mental, and emotional well-being of the woman carrying it.

Kristen Cawley said...

If racism is what you want look no further than a few of the commenters here. Wow. I feel pity. I'll take "The role of the white male in supressing women and minorities throughout history" for $1000. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Jenna said...

I had a similar experience with Planned Parenthood when I was at (gasp!) BYU of all places. Did you know there's a PP in Orem? There is, I went there and got birth control at a discounted rate.

I believe there's good and bad to everything. Some people use Planned Parenthood for not-so-savory purposes. But some people use it for good.

I guess we can make the same analogy about cupcakes, right?

Em said...

love it!!!

no individual insurance plan with cover me in utah either. b/c i took clomid to have both of my babies. select health even denied my entire family b/c i took clomid even though they have no pre-existing conditions at all. stupid insurance! we finally got a catastrophic plan with humana b/c they were the only humane people around. maybe it's the name. who knows? lol

Stephanie said...

Friendly note time: I reserve the right to moderate any comments that suggest that I, or anyone else, is not a good Mormon/could forego church membership because they support Planned Parenthood.

If you would like to discuss why you do not support PP, or alternative solutions, those comments are welcome. If your reasons for not supporting PP are tied into your religious beliefs, that is fine.

Again, your comment is welcome until you start suggesting that someone is not a good Mormon, doesn't understand some aspect of Mormonism, or should lose church membership for not coming to the same conclusion you did.

If you would like to read about why I, a Mormon, support PP, you can read the final comment on my next post.

Cortney said...

Rae- Your tax dollars do not fund abortions. Google the Hyde Amendment. It is illegal for federal funds to be used for abortions.

Also, I don't get to pick and choose what my tax dollars pay for. I'm a vegetarian, anti-war activist whose taxes got to meat subsidies and bombs. Yeah, not fun for me either. If one is pro-life to the extent one does not support Planned Parenthood, I'm sure you are also anti-war. Lots of innocent children have been killed with tax dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan, too.

Lastly, the argument that Sanger was a racist holds little to no water. I'm sure, when people give you racist quotes from Church leaders past, you say something about how times have changed, etc. If I told you that your Church was racist, now, because until 1978 they didn't give the Priesthood to black members, I'm sure you'd have lots of reasons to defend it, many of which are probably quite valid. We could talk about polygamy, too. I would suggest you give the same understanding to PP. If not, I don't see how you can excuse past statements from Church leaders and hold your current position of vilifying Planned Parenthood for Sanger.

Tweedlemuffin said...

This is a great article. People need to get off of their high horse and get their heads out of their politics and actually see what things are about. PPH is NOT just about abortion. It's a great help.